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welcome to prime time week, and i am alex wagner. let's get right to the week's top stories. the banks and financial institutions that lent donald trump hundreds of millions of dollars to help build and expand the trump brand, they cannot be happy right now. will any of them really want to lone donald trump any more money? could they start demanding he pay back the money he owes them presently? well, there is actually a historical president for all of this. back in the early 1990s, trump's business empire was on the brink of insolvency. he had stretched himself thin, with casinos in atlantic city,

and a fancy yacht, and for whatever reason, his own airline company or. trump had borrowed a ton of money from the banks to pay for all of this. and these businesses were not doing well, so the banks got together and decided it was time to rein in donald trump's finances. >> trump had long cashed himself as a winner. now, he was looking like a loser. >> as quickly as the banks loved him, that's as quick as they saw him as a pariah. he was like -- it's donald trump. they didn't want to have anything to do with him, they wanted their money and they wanted to be rid of donald trump. >> bankers descended on trump tower. >> when you were talking to him in these meetings, it just didn't seem that he had any idea how big the problem was, or how it would be resolved. >> but as far as being a ceo, and understanding numbers, and understanding the

ramifications, it doesn't seem like he took economics, or accounting -- and so -- the airline >> trump may have to -- and they put trump on a 450,000 dollar a month allowance. with in exchange, they would continue to promote the business. >> that is the real story of donald trump's business legacy. they man who inherited a real estate empire from his father dug himself into such deep financial trouble, that he had to be bailed out by the very banks that lent him money in the first place. and then, he did it all over again. trump has repeatedly schemed his way into convincing people to give him money. whether he is defrauding banks about the value of his real estate holdings, or convincing his most loyal supporters to pay for his legal bills. donald trump has usually found a way to get other people to pick up the tab for him. but now, for the first time, he is facing accountability for his scheming, right here in new york, the state that bore the

brunt of his chicanery for decades. and so it is fitting that the person who helped put all of this in motion, the investigation that led to this landmark 450 million dollar ruling against donald trump, was a congresswoman from new york. it was five years ago when donald trump's fixer, michael cohen, was called up to capitol hill to testify about his former boss. a lot of the questioning focused on trump's racism, and his hush money payments, and his potential ties to russia during the 2016 campaign. but when newly elected congresswoman alexandria ocasio- cortez was called on, she focused on a relatively obscure part of donald trump's business dealings. if >> to your knowledge, did the president ever in provide inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> who else knows that the president did this? allen weisselberg -- and matthew kalahari. >> and where with the committee

find more information on this? do you think we need to review his financial statements and his tax returns, in order to compare them? >> yes, and you would find it at the trump org. >> that moment set in motion a line of inquiry that led to the order today, filed a few hours ago, and now donald trump has just 30 days to pay the state of new york nearly half a billion dollars, and counting. >> joining me now to discuss is congresswoman alexandria ocasio- cortez. she represents of course the 14th district of new york. it's great to see. you >> thank you, it's good to see you in person, no. less >> so, my first is just, it's amazing watching that tape. and i wonder if, that was your freshman year. >> my first hearings as well. >> did you ever imagine that that line of inquiry would lead to the moment we find ourselves in? now >> i mean i don't think anybody saw the scale and the degree of this ruling, that has come

down. but i think even when donald trump was first running in 2016, people did say nobody knows donald trump like new yorkers do. and he had such a notorious reputation, for this kind of shady dealing, in construction, in real estate, in contracting -- for not really paying out his contracts, and fleecing working people all across new york city. we knew him as a fraud, for longer, and better than almost anybody else in the country. and really, that line of questioning that we just saw was inspired by trump -- which is right by the bridge that connects the bronx and queens, which is the borough that i -- represent. and i drive across that bridge all the time, going from family to family visiting in the community. and, that also was built using a public private land deal.

and so, we know that there are so many of these shady dealings that are going on. and not only was this just an example of donald trump defrauding a firm -- but also fleecing the working people of new york city, in order to hit in richmond south. >> yeah, and we never have enough time, but at the beginning the line -- ended at talking about driving by that golf course. and it sounds like the trump name became almost -- representative of this inequity, this two tiered system. everything that's kind of wrong with the world, and i guess i just wonder as a new yorker as a person that is trying to make change in government, what this moment means for you. i mean, this is the day when the order has gone through, the clock starts ticking, $111,000 of interest accrues every single day that donald trump doesn't pay this. he seems to be having money problems, his lawyers are saying can we push off the date by which we have to pay this, both here and in the e. jean

carroll case. what does the moment feel like for you, as you watch this all unfold? >> i think it's, it's such an important moment. because in this country, in this moment, we as americans have gotten so used to the wealthy committing financial crimes, and fleecing working people, and getting away with it, time after time after time. that golf course, that was there in trump links, just at the edge of it is -- public housing. and you have people who can't even get adequate heat in the wintertime, that are up on a high-rise -- apartment, or an apartment many feet up in the air, and they have to overlook this golf course, that was subsidized with public resources, when they can't even be sure that they are drinking water that doesn't -- have in it. and so to me, what this ruling finally starts to represent is

that the buck is starting to stop here. donald trump has been able to play this -- game. and he has been able to swap one debt for another, and one leverage for another. and now with this ruling, the state of new york is saying, you actually have to pay up now. and our hope is that with those assets, when we turn them back to the public, that they can be used to further not only further the good of the public. but also to send a message that this is a justice system that queue cannot, and should not buy your way out of. and for too long, the wealthy have. and so, this is not just about trump. i think this should be a message to all people who think that they can fleeced this system, and get away with behavior like this, that comes at the cost of everyday working families. >> it's so interesting that you say that. because the trumps have said this decision is going to ruin new york. new york is over, by virtue of

holding us accountable for bad behavior, fraudulent behavior, everyone is going to leave the. [laughter] >> and i think we actually have the sound, can we hear what eric trump had to say about his father's -- >> if you have a lost state right now, where you have business's fleeing, fleeing, fleeing. and you have companies like ours that have paid over $300 million in taxes, to a city my father built the skyline of new york city. and this is the thinks he gets? >> just architecturally, i take issue with the idea that donald trump built the skyline. maybe like the trump developments on the upper west side, but -- i mean, what do you say to that? because as much as it is sort of comic that the trumps are saying that the department >> -- you know, you can see how this line that new york's anti business titan, might have some residents in certain circumstances. and i wonder what your response to that is? >> new york is so anti business, that wall street is located here, that midtown

manhattan is soaring up billionaires'row. you know, that we have the top 1% not only in the united states, but globally, constantly trying to gobble up real estate here. something tells me that that is full of hot air. and in fact, when we want to talk about new york city, and who is leaving, there is this, there is such an interest in peddling this myth and this lie, that having a fair, enforcing a fair tax system is causing the wealthy to flee. when the data actually shows that it is the opposite. rent in new york city, just like across the rest of this country, has gotten out of control. our housing crisis, it has gotten to such epic proportions, that not just the poor, the working class, the middle class, upper middle class people can't even afford to live in the city anymore. if anyone is leaving, it is the actual people that make new york city work. it is the working class. and so, to eric trump, i would

say you know what, you can let go of a couple of these towers, and maybe we turn them into public housing, so people can actually afford to live here. >> you should put that on a mug. i do want to ask you, because we are talking about this moment, where it seems like there is accountability, if not a downright reckoning. are you worried at all about whether the criminal justice system will actually hold donald trump to account? and i want to ask you this, as somebody who survived january 6th, it was a viscerally terrifying moment from you, from the accounts you shared publicly. it is something the house explored robustly, through the january six committee. but something that the department of justice appeared sort of slow to pick up, in terms of its investigation and prosecution of donald trump. >> yeah, i do have extraordinary concern about. it >> can you talk a little bit about if you had a message to merrick garland, in this moment as a democrat, who sort of understands what that moment meant for the country? for me, it's not even as a democrat, but it's as an american. are we really going to see what

happened on january 6th, and not have serious consequences for it? if we do not issue, if there is not a clear proceeding, that is swift, it's not, this is not just about an individual case, this is about the message that this sends for our democracy. and, if there is not clarity on how unacceptable, and how clear the crimes war that happened on january 6th, and leading up to january 6th, then we are creating an open question about whether this is acceptable or not. and, that cuts to the core not just of our justice system, but to our democracy. and we are hurtling towards an election where you have donald trump, who is more desperate than he has ever been,

particularly with this financial ruling, more financially desperate than he has ever been. he was hoarding classified documents about u.s. national security secrets, in mar-a- lago. and we don't know the full extent. but what i believe, is that donald trump would sell this country for $1, if he thinks that it would benefit himself. and when you have a settlement of over $400 million, we need to be really serious about the stakes of what's happening here. >> yeah, and find out if anybody post spawn for him, who those people actually are. who has half a billion dollars laying around? primetime weekend continues ahead, with my colleague joy reid. colleague joy reid. up next on the readout, an alabama court ruling identifying embryos as children, is generating fear and confusion for ivf families, and for republican politicians. -- continues after. this republican politicians. -- continues after. this

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republicans right now are struggling to get their positions straight on ivf, after the alabama supreme court ruled that frozen embryos should be considered children. and those who destroy them could be held liable for wrongful death. this ruling is just the latest post-roe reality, that has caused mass outrage and fear across the country. and republicans are starting to realize that you know, maybe forcing women to live in a christian nationalist hail made

-- isn't particularly good for their politics. alabama senator tommy tuberville, let's just be honest, is maybe not the brightest senator. when asked about this yesterday, he went from the ruling is good, to wait, no it's bad, to actually i don't know how i feel, over the course of just three minutes. >> do you have a reaction to the alabama supreme court ruling, on the fact that embryos are children? i was all for it. >> we need to have more kids, we need to have the opportunity to do -- that and i thought this was the right thing to do >> but ivf -- and right now ivf services are paused at some of the clinics in alabama. are you concerned that this could impact people who are trying to have kids? >> well, that's for another conversation. >> clay what do you say to the women right now in alabama, who no longer have access to ivf? as a result of this ruling? >> what do you say to them? >> well, that's a hard one, it really is, it's a really hard one. because again, you want people to have that opportunity. and, that's why i say we need

more kids. and i'd have to look at the entire bill, and how it's written. i have not seen it. >> but here is the thing. [laughter] here's the thing. this is the consequence of republicans own action, republicans champion getting rid of roe for years, they wanted this reality. they just didn't want the political consequences that come with it. so don't let them fool you when they tried to back away from it, because there are far-right lawmakers at the state and federal level, who want this kind of policy everywhere, not just in alabama. joining me now is amanda -- , lead plaintiff in the texas abortion ban lawsuit. and michelle goldberg, new york times columnist and msnbc political analyst -- i'm going to turn to my journalist trend here, michelle, and ask if you understand who -- the and who is the entity that needs more kids? who is louis, and why do they need more kids? >> well, i think that there is a great deal of concern on the right about -- falling birth rates among some very specific populations, right. and this is a true globally.

and it's interesting to hear him say that, in the context of talking about the end of roe v. wade. >> which populations? because who is the we? >> right. i mean, i think, i think that this is obviously, he is talking about white people. although i have a feeling if you confronted him on it, and he wasn't stumbling too much, he would say something like america. >> okay, but they also mean more kids. but then when immigrant kids come, we don't have space, and we don't need more kids when it's immigrant kids. we're going to figure that out. let me go to you amanda, because you are in this situation of ivf, using ivf really as a result of what was done to you physically, by the inability to get an abortion, to have normal health care. and so, this place you in a position of needing to use ivf. what do you do now, with the prospect that maybe texas could follow alabama, and make it very difficult for you to use ivf? >> well, you are exactly right. in the irony is not lost on me

that the same people who support the bill, and the laws and the bands that put my life at risk, because i couldn't get an abortion when i needed one, to save my life, are now in the same camp of the folks who are saying that i shouldn't have the choice to use ivf, and i shouldn't have the ability to make decisions over how and when i create a family. and the fear that is, a similar law or ruling will come into effect in texas, it is such, and it is so terrifying, that my husband and i signed the paperwork today to get our embryos out of the state. because i am so terrified of what will happen if, if we are under the same situation that those poor folks in alabama are in. >> and so, the idea for you, in using ivf, do you consider those embryos to already be

living children? >> no. i hope that one day they will become children. but with laws like this, and rulings like this that are being passed, we might never even know, because they are going to take away the opportunity for me to potentially and plant them. >> and you know -- let me just give you a few examples here. these are recently backed bills that make the same argument as alabama. 125 house republicans, including speaker mike johnson, did cosponsor something called the life at conception act, which states that the term human being includes all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moments at which an individual member of the human species comes into being. it does not include an exception for ivf. the chair of the nrsc, senator stephen -- of montana, co- sponsored a bill in 2021 that claimed that home ose peons, born and unborn, are entitled to full protections of the 14th amendment. they are for it, they want to make it illegal everywhere. >> well, i don't know if they actually do, i don't know if they actually want to make ivf

illegal, so much as they don't want to deal with the kind of actual consequences of their ideology, and it's contradictions. because you see them now rushing to distance themselves from something that was totally predictable, and that feminists and people who care about reproductive health have been screaming about four years. that this is, once that personhood impacts reproductive, in a packs abortion, it also impacts fertility treatment, and it impacts contraception. and, everything people warned about about a post-roe america, that was considered hysterical beforehand, we are seeing it all come to pass. and so, what you see them doing now, in alabama, they are talking about changing the definition of personhood. not to conception, but begins at implantation, right. but i think it just shows you how cynical it is. and nobody, there are vanishing lee few people who actually believe that an embryo or a blast -- is -- let's just >> let's just be clear, you can't take a baby and freeze it, the baby would die.

>> well not just that -- but >> >> i think all of these people, if they are in a burning building, and they can say one baby or 10,000 embryos, nobody really believes that these two are equivalent things. >> i'm not sure. because there are republicans who have talked about abortion, and think that pregnancy happens in the stomach, where a baby would be digested. i mean, they've legitimately said in the stomach. they don't seem to understand the human body. >> you can see with tommy tuberville, that he has really not thought about this. i mean, i would assume that he knows in the abstract how babies are made, but the actual details of it. which is just what is so astonishing, is that that has not stopped them in the slightest from passing these sweeping laws, with such profound consequences for peoples lives and health. i'm going to give you the last words on this, amanda. among women you know in texas, at what point does this become a voting issue? because we have been seeing in conservative states like texas and alabama, they are not having a reaction to vote out people like the tommy

tuberville, us and these elected officials, who are condemning women to health challenges, to maybe losing their lives. at what point is there going to be a reaction electorally, in your view? >> absolutely, it is already a voting issue. and something that i think a lot of people don't know is it's not just our senators and our local elected officials, it is also our supreme court justices in texas. and had we had a very similar suit in texas, if and when we do have a very similar suit in texas, i think we would have almost an identical ruling. and our supreme court is elected, and as a matter of fact, three of them are up for reelection this year. and so, it already is a voting issue, and i hope people realize that, because this is an issue that wins elections, we know that. and we need people to come out, and we need people to vote on this. >> vote specifically on this, right, elections matter. a lot of the states have elected supreme courts y'all, pay attention, vote accordingly, according to saving your own life, and your

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and we could see exactly when they'd arrive with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ please care about this story. we have been following the tragedy in oklahoma, where a nonbinary student, -- benedict, died one day after a fight in the high school bathroom. police say that their death was not from trauma, according to a preliminary autopsy report. in a statement obtained by our nbc news affiliate, and attorney for the benedict urged authorities to investigate quickly, and fairly. adding quote, the benedict snow all too well the devastating effects of bullying, and school violence. and pray for a meaningful change, where bowling is taking seriously, and no family has to

deal with another preventable tragedy. in a statement, the high school expressed their commitment to student safety and security, and released what information they could in coordination with the police investigation. state representative -- joins me now, she is the first transgender woman elected to the montana legislature. zoe, the death of a young person is always difficult, so i just want to get how you feel right now. you are a member of this community, i am quite sure you know the effects of bullying. how are you feeling tonight? you know, we mourn, we mourn the loss of a life that should have been. i know as a stepmother of an eight-year-old, we think about when we send our children to school, we want them to come back better brighter, and fundamentally we want them to come back alive. and what we see here is a situation where a 16-year-old had faced repeated bullying over the course of a year, and

was allegedly assaulted by three classmates, and died the next day. that is not how any life should come to an end. >> you are a lawmaker, so i am sure you have spent an enormous amount of time in the last 24 hours, using every resource you have to figure out as much as you possibly can about this story. what stands out to you the most, about what happened here? >> you know, there are a couple of things that stand out to me. on one hand, you had another student in this high school coming out on social media, saying that they, a trans student, saying they faced daily harassment, including being called slurs from teachers at the high school. you referenced the police report, saying that this was not related to trauma. there was another report coming out, saying that they were -- from students, due to concerns about foul play. so for me, i can, our community

recognizes a hate crime when we see one. and, this has all the markings of it. and it is doubly concerning when the states superintendent has called trans people and assault on truth, and appointed libs of tiktok founder china raichik to the school library board. we see the way that the anti- trans rhetoric directly leads to violence. and for me, that is the most concerning thing. these deaths are preventable, but they will continue to happen if people continue to espouse fear, and bring forward hateful legislation around trans people in our communities. >> the human rights campaign is calling for an investigation into this. are you concerned that something is being missed by the local police? >> you know, we have a situation where the family of max benedict is talking about how concerning the facts around the case are.

but -- it should not be a situation where the family is running against the police, saying someone do, something someone do something. the nature of the conflicting police reports around, concerns around foul play, along with saying that a student who was assaulted by three of their classmates, did not die in relationship to that assault the day before. i think if we want to get to justice for max benedict and their family, the department of justice needs to step in. i know the human rights campaign has been in communication with them, i have been in communication with the department of justice as well. having a federal investigation into this seems to be the way to most likely lead to justice for -- their family. >> a minute ago, you touched on the impact that anti-trans rhetoric has in terms of bullying. but what about the laws? republican governor kevin -- called -- a tragedy, and

denounced bullying. but this is the same person who has signed several laws that targets transgender children. does that kind of stuff exacerbate the bullying? >> it absolutely does. and it's important to note that the -- when the laws are in effect. but it also happens when the laws are brought forward. we have -- teens fleeing the state of montana, when their lives were being debated in the montana house. we had a teen attempt suicide, while watching one of the hearings. and, it is hypocritical for a superintendent or governor to come forward and say, we care about this student, we care about their lives, when they have brought forward policy, have promoted policies that directly harm our communities. the superintendent, the governor, libs of tiktok -- , they did not kill this student, but there is blood on their

hands. >> so we, i know i'm out of time. but as you are speaking, i want to give you a chance, what is your message tonight? there are scared, especially scared young people, who are in the lgbtqia community, nonbinary people, trans people, that are scared. they be scared to go to work, maybe scared to go to school tomorrow. what is your message to them tonight? >> we see that the rainbow youth project had a 300% uptick in crisis calls this week, for lgbtq youth. but my message is, i know how hard it is, and we just have to find spaces within our community to hold on to one another. throughout the history of attacks on lgbtq people, whether it is today, the 2000s, the 80s, it has been our community who has held one another up, throughout these attacks. we are going to win in the end, through this moral panic. they will not ultimately eliminate our rights, trans people will always exist, and

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for years now, for more than a decade, democrats in the state of wisconsin have been trying to level the playing field in wisconsin politics. even when wisconsin democrats have won statewide in recent years, terrific out the republican governor, scott walker for example in 2018. even when wisconsin democrats have gotten away more votes for state assembly, say in 2018, when they got 54% of the vote of state assembly votes. even when they have been out voting republicans, that clearly, democrats have been

getting way less when it comes to seats in the state legislature. in that 2018 race, democrats won the total vote for state assembly by a margin of more than 200,000 votes. but republicans still got more seats. democrats won 54% of the votes for state assembly, but that 54% of the vote only earned them 36% of the seats. ever since wisconsin republicans got control of their state government in 2010, they have redrawn the political maps, the state legislature, the congressional maps, so that republicans effectively can't be voted out of power, so they can win more seats from wisconsin, despite getting fewer votes from wisconsin. i mean in wisconsin, it's the democrats who have won 14 out of 17 of the last statewide elections. but republicans consistently win more seats, even though they have fewer votes. the state consistently votes overall for democrats, most recently in the 2022 election.

but republicans, nevertheless, got nearly two thirds of seats in the state assembly, and a full two thirds of the seats in the state senate. for the past 13 years in wisconsin, the bottom line is that democrats could basically win as many votes as they want, but those votes will not put them into power in the state. and for years, wisconsin democrats have been trying to fix that, have been trying to level the playing field. again, so that what people vote for is what they get, in terms of state government. in 2017, wisconsin democrats brought a legal challenge to the republican drawn maps, all the way up to the u.s. supreme court. but that got swatted down. in 2022, following his reelection, democratic governor tony -- was able to push through revised maps, not quite unger-y mannered, but a step in a less gerrymandered direction. the u.s. supreme court threw those out to. finally, it was what happened

last year, that changed the course in wisconsin. after dog campaigning and organizing by the democrats, wisconsin voters elected a new liberal judge to the wisconsin supreme court. and that effectively flipped control of the court to the liberals. and, wisconsin voters then filed a new lawsuit, arguing that the republican maps were illegal, the state supreme court agreed, and they ordered new maps for wisconsin, new, fair, on gerrymandered maps, that meant the playing field would not be tilted in either parties direction. today, just today, 13 years since that all started, governor u-verse has signed new state maps into law, maps that would effectively and republican gerrymandering, and give equal party a fair shot at trying to concern -- it took state -- 13 years oppressor view, by wisconsin democrats.

but those old, unbelievably outrageous republican maps are finally gone, which means when republican, or democratic voters go to the polls in wisconsin, however they vote, it will now be reflected in their state government, shocking, i know. but for now, these maps apply just to the state legislature. on the congressional level, it's still the way it was. there is a fairly evenly split electorate in wisconsin, it is a purple state. but even so, because the congressional maps are still gerrymandered under the old system, of the eight seats that wisconsin has in congress, six of them are held by republicans. now, the wisconsin supreme court hasn't yet decided whether they are going to take up a legal challenge to the congressional maps as well as the legislative maps, that they just did take up the challenge for. you can expect that to be the next battle, and you can expect wisconsin democrats to fight as hard for that as they have for

these past 13 years. still though, take a moment to recognize what a victory this is in wisconsin. a victory not for capital the democrats per se, but for small d democracy. a victory borne out of perseverance, and organizing, and dedication. that news out of wisconsin today is also a good reminder about the many democratic victories in the states recently. democrats in the biden era really do keep winning election after election after election, you can consider pennsylvania also as a case study. pennsylvania, excuse me, a special election for an open house seat in the state, in 2020. this is a district that joe biden won by 11 points. but in this special election last week, the democrat in that race not only won, he beat the republican by 35 points. in the past year, there have been six special elections in pennsylvania. democrats have won six out of the six. democrats also won last week in new york. they flipped the congressional

seat, that once the -- long george santos. that's an increasingly red district, that everyone has been saying, but a democrat won that race. and yeah, you can read that as a democratic party victory. for sure, and the democrats deserve credit for their. but look also at the republican party response to their victory. steve bannon, senior adviser to donald trump, very influential right-wing podcast are now. he is now saying publicly that that new york special election was rigged for the democrats. he says, quote, they stole this election in new york. so, we are in this era now where we have one party competing to win elections, persevering year after year after year after year to win in the democratic system. level the playing field to compete and win, they are doing very well at it in the biden era. working their hearts out in a small d democratic way. but they are working against an opponent that does not really want elections to determine who gets to be in political power

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in 1957, silas white had a dream. and he had the money to make it happen. he bought a building on ocean avenue in santa monica, with a fabulous view of the ocean, and an easy path way down to the beach, where he intended to create a beach club for african americans. a place where black people in los angeles would know they could go, and they could use when they went to the beach. a year later, the city of santa monica took over that property by eminent domain, claiming they had an important use for it, the city just turned into a parking lot, where there really wasn't need for a parking lot. the city of santa monica still owns that land, and collects

rent from the very prominent, and very hip wrote -- hotel, which now stands on that property. this is the latest example of black people being robbed of the kind of generational wealth that could be built on beach front property in the los angeles area. silas white's descendants are now asking the santa monica city council for fair compensations, for what was taken from them. our next guest, pulitzer prize- winning journalist tremaine lee, has been investigating stories like this, in his podcast is msnbc just premiere podcast, the latest installment of into america. joining us now is msnbc correspondent tremaine lee, host of the podcast into america. tremaine, i thought of you when i saw this story today. there has been some previous reporting on it, but it came to my attention today, in local tv coverage of it in santa monica. and, it's so, so horribly

repetitive, of a story on manhattan beach, which is just south, a couple of beaches south of santa monica beach in california, that took years to deal with. and here we are again. >> you know lawrence, it's amazing to think about the stories that we are hearing every single day. and only brings to mind the stories that we don't know. the thousands or countless stories, i should say from all across the country, where the federal government in the state and local government either outright stole wealth from black votes, created barriers around them, or fleeced them of value. and as you mentioned, the idea that this real estate and property, real wealth in america. as we know, real estate isn't the driver of wealth in america, it is american wealth. and we've been exploring these stories in each and every single one of them, they are heartbreaking because it begs the big question, what could have been, if black folks had been made whole throughout history. >> and so, in this story, the silas white story, one of the

things that happens is the family stops talking about it. after a generation or two, they just stop talking about it. and one of his descendants was on local l.a. tv news, saying i just, i didn't know about it. this young woman, in her 30s or so. and so, that must have happened so many times around the country, where it kind of disappeared, even from the family's own knowledge. >> well, there is often the deep pain and anguish of that loss. but then we think about some of the prior generations, who experienced great trauma. there is a silencing, a chilling effect on that. but also sometimes in america, the records just get lost. their own -- records who don't take care of the records, they except -- there are people who are potentially worried some of these facts and details. but in our podcast, uncounted millions, the power of reparations, we actually go back to a time when america was

considering how to repay the descendants of enslaved people, or the formerly enslaved. and we actually found time cards in 1862, when the federal government, from what we believe is the very first time, paid federal reparations for slavery. and they did so for white in slavery's. in 1862, there was an act called the compensated emancipation act, which said you know what, we are going to free the enslaved people. and this is a year before the emancipation proclamation. so we are going to free enslaved people. and in doing so, we are also going to pay enslavers for their losses. and in our story, there is actually a black man who popped up on that list, one of five black families who actually purchased his family's freedom, and ended up on that list, and found a loophole, and actually got compensated for slavery. this is the first and last time that we believe that black people were actually paid reparations. but that was just the beginning. as we learned about stories like this, generation after generation of black people who were restricted by red linings, or jim crow, or eminent domain, all of these violent tactics

that the federal government has used at the state and local governments -- to strip black folks of wealth. >> tralee, thank you for doing the work to deliver these stories to us. and thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. this has been primetime weekend. i am lawrence o'donnell. tune into the last word, at ten pm eastern, weeknights on msnbc. rn, weeknights on msnbc. with nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt.

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